Seth 413
Beginning to Understand Belief vs. Faith Systems
Tuesday September 24, 2009
8:25 PM
Seth… Good evening. A pleasure to have all of you here with me this evening. A few bits of housekeeping. From the previous discussion it is obvious why I have always stated that verbal communication or for that matter written communication leads one astray. One should be wary of words in any form. Information that you require should be received by individuals in nonwritten or nonverbal ways. Examples of this may be seen with individuals who study facial expressions and body language. (I believe Seth was referring to whatever the communication was going on right before session. He has stated numerous times that language is the “worst form of communication.” He advised that when listening that we should listen with our eyes and with “ears that do not hear,” meaning listening beyond hearing to like a sixth sense. Good listening should include seeing body language and facial expressions, hearing not just the words but the tone, listening for context meaning not only background information but for example does the body language match the words? Also listening with your feelings and yes, your intuition or sixth sense. Furthermore, it is a good idea at times to ask for clarification to make sure you understand. This not only can clarify for you, but also for the speaker who will often feel validated because they are understood. F.N.) Continuing on with our housekeeping. Kaetorina, if you remember our last private session I instructed you to read last week’s session at least four times. Your answer you did? Proves my point that both you and the man through whom I speak have major trust issues. We will deal with this in a stern manner later. I have asked all those except for George to look at the idea of belief vs. faith and come up with some questions on that subject. Before we go on I will ask Kaetorina to type and then read into the record what I have previously explained to her.
A belief simply put is something you can feel, see, touch, hold on to and manipulate. Faith is invisible. It has no substance yet, in reality it is the strongest force on the physical plane. Belief in self, you can feel and motivate yourself. If you truly believe in The All That Is, that is faith. If you have a belief that God will help you that is not faith. A result-oriented individual requires positive results or success. Success is always pleasurable in whatever system you are dealing with, yet failure when placed in a faith system will allow you to fulfill your needs, your wants will be lessened, and your ultimate success will be guaranteed. All belief and faith ideas are based upon “how do I know?” The greater the growth that people have, the more we will see belief vs. faith problems.
With these ideas in mind, we start the concept of comparing and contrasting ideas and value systems. The individual who questions that which is and allows themselves to create freely excels whereas the individual who accepts and does not challenge the status quo and is concerned with only themselves fails to understand that they have created their own difficulties. I have previously stated that a belief system is closed. This is factual under any set of circumstances. You cannot manipulate a faith system. It exists independently and outside of your own reality. With this in mind I have asked each of you to come up with some questions about belief vs. faith. Do we have a volunteer?
Isabella… How can I have faith in my relationship without constant fear of things going wrong?
Seth… That question in and of itself must be changed. The word faith there must be changed to belief. This is obvious because of the following: You can manipulate your own feelings, they change. You are concerned, worried about. The idea here is not about faith in self since you do not know but belief in how one is going to handle a difficulty or a problem? The individual who worries about something, a relationship issue, their child, a monetary difficulty, their marriage, their job, are all dealing with belief difficulties. You deal with a belief difficulty in ways that can be manipulated, changed. Remember most individuals would choose success over failure. The belief is that I require something to turn out and become positive. Failure to higher individuals is a learning experience that allows the individual soul to generate experiences that will carry them through lifetime after lifetime.
Frank… Can you give an example of how faith can be manipulated?
Seth… There are no examples. If you have a faith that there is a higher being show me how you can touch it, manipulate it or change it? Do you understand?
Frank… I’m grappling with it. Belief in the devil is simply a belief?
Seth… Let me ask you a different question. Within the known universe can you have up without down?
Frank… No
Seth… Can you have right without left?
Frank… No
Seth… Therefore, can you have good without evil?
Frank… This might be a cop out. Yes.
Seth… Show me how?
Frank… It is the absence of good.
Seth… No. That is evil
Frank… Not how many understand it, the devil is considered a malevolent, on purpose force as opposed to say ignorance or people acting out in pain or without understanding.
Seth… Simply put, the answer here is obvious since you are responsible for your creations and therefore you are what you create the idea of a devil is in reality you yourself. When one understands this simple fact that the concept of a devil is used by individuals to seek control, authority and power over others. It is this factor that has given rise to all religion. We once asked Rupert and Joseph if they wanted a book on religion at that point of reference they did not.
Frank… Can you give another example of faith besides The All That Is?
Seth… If one has faith in the idea that they are going to board an airplane and that it will crash individuals turn away for no apparent reason. They know the airplane will crash; they turn away and do not board. When the airplane crashes their explanation is simple, I knew everyone was going to die on that plane. Numerous other examples of this faith question may be seen with individuals who for no apparent reason did not go to work in your World Trade Center on 9/11. Betty, do you have a question?
Betty… I don’t have a question.
Seth… I would like for you to think of a question for next week.
Isabella… Is it faith if there is fear behind the question?
Seth… Possibly. If you are afraid that you are going to die but you have faith in the idea of an afterlife that is faith because you cannot manipulate that.
Isabella… That isn’t my question, let me change it. You know how sometimes you think you just know something, and you might perceive it as either having faith or a psychic feeling and then you say it’s not possible because its fear based?
Seth… That is belief.
Betty… How do you differentiate faith from intuition?
Seth… The answer is simple. Intuition may either be faith or belief system based depending upon what you are dealing with. An example here may be seen in the idea of placing a bet on the outcome of a sporting match. You had the belief or intuition that a specific team would win call it a hunch, whether it happened or did not happen matters not it is a belief system… If you had faith that something would happen that individuals cannot control, then of course it is a faith situation.
Stephanie… When someone attempts to work on difficulties but doesn’t seem to make progress how can I have faith in their progress if they have not made progress at all?
Seth… The question here again is simple, are you dealing with a belief system or a faith system of events? We have stated that all souls cannot fail, that idea is based in faith. The question then arises do I believe that a soul will succeed in any one incarnation? Since the soul is responsible for their actions and they are the one who is in charge, then of course you are dealing with a belief system. When someone seems to make no progress, the question arises what evidence do I have for that concept? In reality you have no evidence. Individuals themselves may tend to repeat the same types of behavior over and over again; the universe will provide them with ample opportunity for failure until these individuals create anew their constant failure is in reality a belief difficulty. These difficulties, whether belief or faith-based, give experience to the individual. Let me be clear on this point. Experience on the physical plane is the simplistic reason why each of you incarnates. All individuals learn from their experiences. When one tries to classify their experiences as either belief-based or faith-based misconceptions arise. One must understand that both systems are necessary for the growth and progress of all souls. It is impossible and one should never attempt to separate the two, one must look for understanding and by doing so the idea of which system you are dealing with becomes clear.
I believe at this point we shall take a break. (9:30 PM)
Let us continue. Do you have another question?
Isabella… How could I have faith that I can be independent of my mother and still have my individuality?
Seth… The answer there must be looked at in terms of your own creativity. It has a direct connection to Kaetorina’s last question about progress. The simple question here, if you have faith that you will succeed than of course failure is part of the numerous difficulties that one must overcome on their way to success. If you believe in this concept, then of course you will have difficulty in creating for yourself that which you seek.
One must understand that when one seeks to gain their own independence one is never successful by doing harsh or mean things towards another. This is factual because the idea of hurting someone else actually draws the two individuals closer together. This occurs due to the fact that one individual is always on offense, and the other is always on defense on any particular subject. If one seeks their own independence one must allow for your creativity as well as the others. When one lives their life like an open book one invites opinions from all those around them. Please note I am not stating that one should be secretive, but all individuals must learn to weigh and measure that which they choose to share with anyone other than themselves.
In any relationship issue it is always necessary for individuals to maintain a sense of privacy. Examples here, is it necessary for a male or a female to disclose all their past sexual relationships with their current husband, wife, boyfriend or girlfriend? Is it necessary for any individual to disclose how they feel about their latest disagreement with their partner or friend to anyone that will listen? This is the idea of gossip and how others will routinely misinterpret your ideas. When one seeks to be independent it is necessary to form a balance scale of ideas and events. Those ideas or events must be weighed and measured. Which ones can I share and with whom? Which ones shall remain hidden and from whom? Independence requires thought and faith in the fact that your decisions must be profitable for you. When an individual is faced with a situation where another is offering opinions that are unwanted, the higher self must come forward. One should listen to the opinion, say thank you and then move along and create that which you find profitable for self. This is faith based in self. A belief system here would find two individuals who are at odds with one another. One individual at some point will be hurt or bothered and then lash out at another. The confrontation here serves no useful purpose since both individuals suffer. One only has to look at relationship issues with adult children when dealing with their parents! Isabella, are you satisfied?
Isabella… I am. My only question is how important is this issue in relationship to my whole existence, this issue with my mother?
Seth… The question should have been how important is this issue to my existence, period. This issue defines you in terms of your relationships with your parents, with your girlfriends, male friends and will certainly define you in your relationship issues with your partner whomever that might be. Many individuals tend to abandon their own creativity as a prelude to keeping a relationship going with someone else. In simplistic terms they give themselves to another, they forfeit that which they are to promote “a good relationship.”
Do you understand? Frank, do you have another question?
Frank… Yeah. So, before an incarnation the soul sets up many of these belief vs. faith issues to promote their growth?
Seth… That idea would take away free will. It would do so since there is no allowance for give or take. What is accomplished before any incarnation simply put are signposts that are placed along the way that either may be ignored or followed depending upon how that individual soul feels. Do you understand?
Frank… The signposts themselves will lead people towards…..
Seth… They are just a guide… I met Cyndi, do I stay with her or do I go my own way? Do I want to be happy or unhappy, faithful or unfaithful… All of these signposts are vague guides that tend to push you along on the road you are on. You may choose to take a detour or not come back… this is free will.
Frank… Anyone’s core issues are going to involve belief vs. faith issues, correct?
Seth… They may not.
Frank… Examples?
Seth… A core issue is what you tend to work on. Not a question of belief vs. faith. The camouflage system you use creates belief vs. faith.
Frank… Example?
Seth… Why do you have to study every detail?
Frank… Isn’t it a core issue?
Seth… Not even close.
Frank… So, did you state before that older souls at a certain point no longer have belief vs. faith issues?
Seth… No, I did not.
Frank… Wouldn’t an older soul at some point have faith that all the information would be available to them?
Seth… Only in the last microseconds before they ended their need for incarnation on the physical plane. It should be noted here that you have numerous lifetimes to go.
Let me leave you with this. Both belief and faith systems when understood and used properly will satisfy your needs and make your wants understandable. A hearty good evening.
(Session ended at 10:09 PM)