Seth 420 Belief vs. Faith on Relationships and Friendship
Tuesday November 24, 2009
8:35 PM
Seth… It is a pleasure to have all of you here with me again this evening. A little bit of housekeeping. Isabella, I am aware that you have not been reading your list at least 2 to 3 times a day. The question arises why not? The answer was silence. It is becoming clear that you would rather complain, feel sorry for yourself, accuse others of not helping than buckle down and do the work. Kaetorina we will deal with some number issues after regular session. Jasmine, I noticed you had done a little bit of meditation, so the question arises why are you not doing it more frequently? The answer again was silence.
We have been dealing with belief vs. faith issues. It is understandable that difficulties arise when you try to compare and contrast the two. Unfortunately, an understanding of each side of the situation is necessary for any individual to allow themselves the luxury of deciding which system best fits which events. At the present points of reference the best that each of you can do is to try both systems on any given idea and pick whichever one seems to be the most profitable. One of the difficulties that souls encounter on the physical plane are classified in relationship issues. Relationships may be between one soul and a thing. Example, money this is a singular idea and a singular problem.
Relationships between individuals are far more complicated. When you have a relationship issue between two individuals it is not double, it is in reality four times the difficulty that one faces. Simply put, if you have ten individuals who are in a relationship issue the difficulty factor would be ten to the tenth power. If you have a thousand individuals with a relationship difficulty you would have a thousand to the thousands power. If one, then adds side issues and side problems with individuals who may only slightly participate in the relationship difficulty the problem quotient becomes astronomical. We shall try to confine ourselves to relationship issues that deal with no more than three individuals. In other words, you would have three to the third power and if you do the math, it is three times three times three or twenty-seven. When two individuals join into a relationship the first question that they pose is why are we in this relationship? It is obvious that for most this question is never asked. Each individual has a belief system that comes into play and clearly states this relationship has benefits.
As reference points move along these benefits start to become defined as to the quality of the relationship as defined by one of the individuals. The other individual defines the relationship in his/her own manner. It is rare that these two individuals at this point of reference sit down to discuss their belief systems that are now in operation. It is taken for granted that individuals will bring something to the table, the question arises, what are they bringing and why? As our relationship question moves forward there is a constant redefining of that which one party does for the other. At some point of reference, a friendship relationship has now been brought to bare upon our two parties. It should be noted here that I have refrained from defining male vs. female ideas since they are relevant in a sense of a beginning sexual attraction. This relevance quickly fades and the relationship issues soon become evident as if the parties were of the same sex. It should be noted again that male/female relationships will always have a side sexual component.
The belief system as friends is far more difficult than that of beginning acquaintances. A great deal of effort must now be placed upon the friendship aspect of a relationship. Your belief systems change accordingly. There are expectations and demands that the relationship must now suffer through. Ideas and disappointment are common in these situations. One party has an idea that the other should be doing something or bringing something to the relationship while the other soul may often become upset with the demands of the first soul. These friendship issues may last for quite a while. Each individual in the beginning of a friendship relationship is still trying to present themselves in the greatest light that they can. Most individuals are very careful of exposing themselves fully to the other. In the most simplistic terms one is able to keep a secret.
The secrets that one keeps quite often reach the core of one soul’s beliefs systems. The fear here is that to expose oneself to the other would place such a great demand on the friendship that the friendship could no longer survive. Quite often one will hear one individual say to the other, I didn’t know that about you, how come someone else told me? This in and of itself causes relationship issues to once again become more difficult. It is at this point in a relationship that defense mechanisms start to arise, questions are asked do I want this friendship to continue and if I do what must I do to prevent myself from being hurt? These issues mostly fear based cause great difficulty between two individuals since neither individual wants to expose themselves to the other.
As our relationship moves forward chances are often taken always in small steps. One individual will dole out portions of themselves to the other. It is at this critical nature where one individual exposes themselves to the other but desperately waits for the other half of the relationship to be as forthcoming. It is here that most friendships end in terms of one individual dealing with the other. If the other individual, due to their belief systems, feels comfortable they too will then start revealing small portions about themselves to the other. It is at this point that both individuals start to relax and allow their deepest feelings to come forth. When these feelings start to surface, they are quite commonly pushed down or ignored since the sense of trust between individuals has not been fully established. This area of difficulty is most common in females where the relationship issue revolves around a female/male relationship. It is far easier for two females to get past this area of difficulty than it is for any other type of relationship issue. Quite to the contrary male/male issues at this point of reference are often discarded since the males usually seek dominance. It is quite uncommon for two males to “share” their deep feelings. It should be noted that I am not stating that males do not share; I am stating that for the male it is far more difficult to enter into this type of relationship.
If at this point the relationship issue moves forward, the idea of friendship based upon belief systems is now changing to a system based upon love. This love system or relationship is the most complicated of all due to the fact that an expression of love on the physical plane has very little relevance to the idea of love in higher realms. It is at this point of reference that I would refer all of you to go back to my lecture series on love so that the nuances of this idea may be fully comprehended. When a love system or relationship is entered into the openness between two individuals has now expanded greatly. If the relationship is to succeed full and open disclosure of one party to the other is mandatory if any relationship is to prosper.
One must comprehend the idea that with a love relationship comes with the idea of hurt. One party will have expectations and the other will see things in quite a different manner. Unless both parties are open and can communicate their ideas then the love relationship is doomed to failure! Love relationships fail not because one party is open and one party is closed to a situation, but because one individual does not receive that which they expect. It is at this point of reference that belief systems are slowly discarded, and faith systems must come into play. In a true love situation, one will always find difficulties. One can always be hurt but one instinctively knows that the other party will be there and that both parties have the others’ best interest at heart. The faith system of love demands nothing, yet it receives everything. It receives because it has no wants. The two individuals communicate in a manner that befriends both of them and promotes both. Their communications uplift and enhance what they are. They instinctively know what the other requires. It is at this point the common term of soulmates is often used. Neither party needs to justify their actions, they know that they are what the other requires. When one is at this stage verbal communication is often unnecessary. A look, a glance, a touch, a reading of body language is all that is necessary to communicate the idea of love and prosperity.
It is at this point we shall take a break. (9:21 PM)
Seth… Let us continue.
It should be obvious at this point that relationship issues between individuals are highly diverse and certainly complicated. I would like to refer to each of you to a book, “The Nature of Mass Events” written by yours truly. The difficulty that a hundred thousand people have of how to participate in an earthquake becomes staggering. What are the ramifications of their agreements? How does one individual participate as compared to others? This is the great idea of the physical plane where relationships abound. One must also come to the conclusion that relationship issues are not only for mature souls but for souls of any age. If you then add in to the mix the idea of a relationship issue between a mature soul and that of a young soul one can start to comprehend the difficulties that must arise. Each individual is unique onto themselves. How they perceive and deal with any relationship issue is always on an individual basis. Are there any questions?
Frank… The concept of picking a faith system vs. a belief system can you give an example.
Seth… A belief system is always closed ended. When one deals with another individual one has a belief that that individual will bring something positive to the relationship. I would strongly suggest that you read and reread my beginning remarks on belief vs. faith ideas. As a relationship progresses one moves into a faith system. That faith system is of course open it has no actual beginning or end as described earlier one knows. As you mature you will be able to look at an event or a person and know which system best fits.
Are there any other questions?
Frank… So, as an obvious example you just meet a person for the first time you wouldn’t just launch into a faith system in this case the situation picks the system unless one is maybe being foolish. Correct?
Seth… Absolutely incorrect. It is incorrect for the most simplistic of ideas. You do not have the ability to see yet when you first met the man through whom I speak, you walked into this house with an air of disbelief. You asked a question about your mother-in-law and my answer since you were vague was she has difficulty in thinking. You left this house with a firm faith system in place.
Frank… A suitable amount of time passed and a sense of what I got from answers…
Seth… You do not have the skill to comment on that statement.
Frank… At that point I didn’t necessarily have faith that it was Jane Robert’s Seth, but I had faith it was important and that it might be that and then it moved along.
Seth… My comments still stand. Our friend Frank, who does not have the skill or the mental ability to comment on that, had a firm faith system in place. The reason that this statement is factual is due to the fact that he was looking for evidence not to come back.
Are there any other questions?
Betty… In this day and age in reference to male/female relationship issues where many men and women from my age group how do you get past when you cant go any further?
Seth… The answer is simple. Relationships fail due to the fact that both individuals do not understand, fulfill or promote the other. Communication here is the key to unlocking the door for happiness. Does that help you, Betty?
Betty… On some level it makes sense when there is so much caution it is very difficult to open this communication.
Seth… I believe that if you reread this session, you will eventually come to the part when one individual opens up and takes a chance to reveal past difficulties. I believe that will help you in your quest. If one opens up and the other does not then the relationship must end because it becomes so unbalanced
Stephanie… Can you describe how when one has trust issues, how this affects this connection process you described in the lecture?
Seth… When one has a trust issue one is hesitant to open themselves since they fear rejection. It is this fear that causes relationship issues to become more difficult. When one eventually requires friendship, one overcomes this type of fear with the hope of gaining more than they fear of losing.
Stephanie… But do the trust issues typically prevent most connections from occurring?
Seth… No, they hinder but do not prevent
Stephanie… In my case I am curious whether my trust issues specifically ended my friendships with let’s say my college friends and this person Jody who I met in a Hamptons share?
Seth… No, they caused you difficulties that could have been overcome but you found the relationship was lacking a prosperous nature and the relationship itself became difficult at best.
Are there any other questions?
Betty… Could you comment on my last relationship?
Seth… I believe you know more than anyone else. I believe you know where it ran into difficulties you gave and gave and gave.
Betty…. I mean the new one.
Seth… The facts remain the same there, didn’t they? One must learn to balance that which you require as compared to that which you could give. Do you understand?
Betty… Yes.
Frank… The idea of the difficulty quotient like with three people to the third power does the idea of the seven steps factor into that and what else does?
Seth… I believe I’ve already answered that question. I stated that relationship issues affect and are the same at any soul age.
Frank…. Not the soul age, self….
Seth… Those are the steps. If you are mature soul step number 4 you are working on certain issues. A mature soul on step two is working on different issues yet relationships between individuals and the process they go through are always the same. It is the outlook that is different an example here. You are working on authority with kindness; Jasmine is working on something different. Her relationships and how she forms them will follow in exactly the same path as yours do Frank, only your interests and outlook is different.
Frank… I don’t believe you understand… or I’m not understanding what I’m trying to ask. I’m not talking about the soul steps.
Seth… How you form relationships is completely different. I’ve given you an overview on how relationships are formed. You form the relationship by the outline I gave you this evening.
Frank…. So then going back partially to original question what goes into making… why is it three to the third power?
Seth… If you look at a relationship of two. There is how you relate to other and self etc. You do not have the ability to break down if a relationship was for three and therefore you do not have the ability to break down the 27 levels of difficulty. If you had ten individuals you certainly do not have the ability to break down 10 to the tenth power. All that is necessary for you to understand that the more complicated the system is the greater the difficulty in finding a successful conclusion to that problem.
Are there any other questions?
Let me leave you with this. In every relationship whether you use a belief system or a faith system one must look to the idea that that relationship must fulfill your needs and lessen your wants. Every individual has their own path. Each individual will eventually find their own way. Look for relationships that promote the self. A hearty good evening to all.
(Session ended. 10:15 PM)
