Understanding Change Over Time Using the Concepts of The Country Road, The Spindle, The Super Pencil in the Box Surrounded by Mirrors
Tuesday November 20, 2007
8:30 p.m.
Seth… Good evening.
Frank… Good evening.
Seth… A pleasure to have you all with me again this evening. I believe that we will come back to our topic of Change, and we will deal with an idea that I would like to present. I dealt with a small portion of this earlier today and we are going to deal with the idea here of change over time. Now, it should be quite obvious to most that as linear plane time is understood one of course must expect change. Certainly, age changes you, your ideas change, the way in which you may perceive and create that which you are certainly changes. But none of this is relevant to the idea that change over time is a common difficulty that most who inhabit the physical plane suffer from. I have stated in the past if you were to leave your home on a beautiful morning and proceed along a country road, morning turns to early afternoon to late afternoon to evening when you would finally return home. And the question that arises is if the next morning occurs in actuality, one must ask did you ever truly leave? All paths are evident in our journey. Yet change over time is easily understood by the perceptions of our country road. When one understands the fact that linear time meaning the way you perceive it on the physical plane and universal time are in a sense competing with you for your perceptions! (The idea of “The Country Road” was channeled to Jerry in the very first Seth Session. It was and is a way to understand that time does not really exist in the way we usually think. Seth explains that time and events are all simultaneous in what he calls “The Ever Expanding Now.” Seth prefers to use the idea of reference points to describe time as in this change occurred from this reference point to that reference point.)
Frank… For your perceptions?
Seth… For your perceptions!
Arthur… Universal time meaning the real time?
Seth… Correct. Now, since you exist, since you exist in The Ever Expanding Now (“The Ever Expanding Now” is a concept where whatever you and others get from experiencing incarnations or studies from higher realms expands the knowledge for every soul for what you would consider the universe. There are many facets and inner dimensions to the universe at this point that you do not know that they exist. This was directly communicated by Seth.) and at whatever level you are on in our Vertical Spindle one may then detach a page view it, study it, if necessary, form a line of study from that information that you have obtained. You may then compare and contrast that line of study with information from below or above you on our spindle.
(“The Vertical Spindle” is another metaphor for how we can understand our own experience of time. Our time experience can be considered as stacked days, years past and lifetimes would all be below wherever we are on the spindle. Days and years hence and future lives our experiences would be above us on the spindle. Most individuals at this point could examine their present and also their past in terms of their memories. The possible future may be glimpsed in the form of dreams, foreknowledge and intuition.)
Jasmine… Can I just ask a question?
Seth… Go ahead.
Jasmine… The spindle is time or is the spindle soul age?
Seth… Neither, the spindle is. You exist in an area of the universe that has been blocked out so that you may learn to experience that which you choose to learn. The spindle is only an example of how you relate in terms of your experiences whether they are here on the physical plane or on higher levels of ascension.
Jasmine… So, we always refer to the spindle as…
Seth… I am now adding more information into your levels of understanding.
Jasmine… So, the spindle even though it always represented the way, the correct way for us to view time now you’re saying it also is a way to evaluate or view our level of experiences based on where we are compared to where we’ve been or where we will go.
Seth… Correct. Is that not time?
Jasmine… Yeah, but it is experiences you’re comparing.
Seth… I am now adding another level and dimension into the spindle knowledge that you have.
Jasmine… But could you just let me finish and try to write something here?
Seth… Certainly, we shall pause and take a slight break.
See I didn’t cut her off, any questions there?
Matthew… I’m totally lost on the spindle.
Jasmine… The spindle is also a measure of your experiences…
Seth… You may deal with a…
Jasmine… Right, a measure of your experience?
Seth… It can be.
Jasmine… Comparing?
Seth… What you are at your present point of reference to what you had been and what you will be.
Jasmine… Right.
Seth… Let me divert for one small second here. If you were a child looking at a ballgame the only thing that a young child wants to know is who won and who lost. As you gather experience not only do you want to know who won and who lost but you may start becoming interested in the intricacies of the game itself. What strategy might be used? What strategy should not be used? How do you fit in? So, all these differences give you a relative grouping of experiences that you add in as you proceed along. (The idea of levels of understanding a ballgame or a baseball game is another favorite metaphor Seth has used to explain how we are interested in learning from experience to experience, from year to year, lifetime to lifetime, soul age to a more advanced soul age, even from grand cycle to grand cycle. A Grand Cycle is when we first leave The All There Is and begin to incarnate until we are finished incarnating and then finish further studies beyond incarnating until all of our questions have been asked and answered. At this point we would return to The All There Is and yet never lose our individuality. At some point we would decide to begin again thus starting a new grand cycle. At this point we would study things from a somewhat more sophisticated level. As truly majestic and wonderful beings that we are, we are never truly done creating and growing!)
Going back to our country road: when one then looks at the idea of our country road and you leave in the morning, come back in the evening and the next morning the view is still the same; so, the question is did something occur that gives you experience other than the fact that you might say, well I left and I returned? But that still does not explain the idea of changing time. Time is relative to change; change is relative to time.
Isabella… But something must have happened on the country road.
Seth… And what if nothing happened other than you drove and you came back? Did you experience anything?
Isabella… Of course.
Seth… Maybe not.
Jasmine… Well, you experienced the drive.
Seth… But that is insignificant. Just because you did something doesn’t mean the experience was worth anything and that you may… forget it very quickly.
Isabella… So, it’s the value of the experience.
Seth… Not that value of, it is what experience you gain by doing something.
Jasmine… So, when you say, did you really leave is the next morning the same, did you really leave meaning did you grow or change in any way?
Seth… Correct. So, change over time must have a relative value.
Isabella… Is that why… is that why it’s not that we can’t change, well we can change…
Seth… You can.
Isabella… continuously. But is that why it’s better to take a while to change?
Seth… No, makes absolutely no difference.
Isabella… So how come you’ve always said change doesn’t happen over night?
Seth… Because for most people they find it quite impossible to do so.
Isabella… Okay. So…
Seth… That is why.
Isabella… But you always say to me don’t expect change to happen over night.
Seth… Because I am viewing you and from my research you do not have the ego-centric knowledge that you would require to refocus that which you are and to refocus it into something you are not to make it profitable. You have to work towards that idea of change, change over time.
Isabella… So, change over time must be relevant.
Jasmine… Relative.
Isabella… Oh.
Seth… Now to complicate this even further most commonly if you are and if you will remember my idea of the super pencil, the pencil in the box surrounded by mirrors from floor to ceiling and four walls, if you are looking at yourself in terms of the eight-hundredth reflection on the right, well the eight-hundredth reflection on the left may pose a completely different viewpoint. And the experiences on the left do not have to and most commonly do not reflect anything other than that specific point of reference. (The pencil in the box of mirrors is a metaphor used here to understand how experiences and change or lines of study over time works. You are the pencil. If you are age nine and a trauma for example occurs and it is difficult for you and creates say self-esteem problems. You are now looking directly at that trauma and self-esteem problems. Now as time continues you may be older and looking at the trauma from say a 20-degree angle. This gives a different perspective, perhaps fuzzy but still in your reflective view. Still older say age at fifty you may be at a 70-degree angle and you cannot see that trauma at all as it is not in your angle of sight however the experience still affects you as you still have self-esteem problems from age nine. Change truly occurs when you decide that what was true at age nine does not have to be true any longer.)
Isabella… I feel like I don’t (understand.) (Laughs.)
Jasmine… If you are looking at yourself in terms of the eight-hundredth reflection on the right, the eight-hundredth reflection may have a completely different viewpoint.
Seth… Completely different viewpoint.
Jasmine… That’s all I was supposed to get from that, okay.
Seth… Correct. Now…
Isabella… (Giggles.) Glad you got something.
Seth… The idea here is that change over time is complicated because that which you perceive at a certain level is held onto at a different level due to the linear plane example such as the ruler, one, two, three, four or five. Do you understand that?
Isabella… No.
Seth… Do you not move in time? Eight o’clock in the morning, nine o’clock in the morning, ten o’clock…
Isabella… Linear.
Seth… that’s linear time.
Jasmine… The idea is that change over time is complicated because that which you have experienced at certain levels is held…
Seth… Is held onto. In other words, at whatever level you start a line of study, for example let’s say so you started a line of study at age nine. By the time you are age seventeen change over time has occurred. Yet your viewpoints, your experiences at nine for most individuals shape how you view that line of study at age seventeen.
Isabella… So, what happened to you at nine effects what happens to you at seventeen?
Seth… Not… It does not have to. It is your viewpoint that which you experienced at nine for many individuals may be very difficult to comprehend.
Isabella… Right, that which you experience at nine would be very difficult as opposed to what you comprehend at seventeen.
Seth… So, what you see at seventeen is as you were at nine. It’s what you hope that would be.
Isabella… But it’s not.
Seth… Most commonly it is not.
Isabella… Because as you get older your viewpoints change.
Seth… And your experiences in anything else that you do reflect back upon yourself. So, then my question then arises in our next level of our journey along the country road. Assuming that something happened on that road, and you took another path, traversed that path but yet came back to the country road meaning the ever expanding now; you still exist there and arrive back at your starting place. The question arises has your viewpoint changed…
Isabella… Yes, yes.
Seth… Has your viewpoint changed by the next morning? And the answer is no. What has changed are your experiences. You are still the identical individual you were before you left.
Isabella… Yes, but don’t your experiences change as equally?
Seth… Your experiences allow you to create differently and your viewpoint is still the same.
Shanna… The outlook.
Seth… What you do, the ending is always the same, you arrive home.
Stephanie… It doesn’t mean change has taken place.
Seth… It just means your experience has taken place. Change over time…
Isabella… I don’t know why I am having such a hard time.
Jasmine… I’m having a hard time too.
Frank… So, the soul that you are… might now be better ready to change.
Seth… We do not know. That is not relevant to this discussion. Change over time, I would suggest you listen to this lecture.
Stephanie… So let me ask this stuff, if you, you know for all the therapists in the room if we were to use the idea of how our parents shaped us and teach us what to value and what’s important and what they found important and that leaves an impression on us so if at nine we are already quote formed…
Seth… Beauty.
Stephanie… Right. Beauty for example then it doesn’t matter what my experiences are from nine to seventeen to forty-two that I will still have the same exact viewpoint regarding beauty…
Seth… Your viewpoint is limited by that which occurred at nine…
Stephanie… Right.
Seth… and hopefully was modified that at age forty-two you are able now to make a change over time.
Stephanie… Right.
Seth… Until you decide that, that which served me at nine no longer serves me at forty-two…
Stephanie… Em hmm.
Seth… no change has occurred.
Stephanie… Right, that’s what I am saying because if you are just believing still in that original premise that what I learned…
Seth… It is not a question of belief. It is a question of understanding the relevance of what went on to you at any given point of reference. A line of study starts…
Stephanie… Right.
Seth… whatever that line of study is.
Stephanie… Em hmm.
Seth… It has a starting point. By definition if something starts what must happen?
Stephanie… It has to end.
Seth… It must end. And when all questions have been asked and answered that line of study ends.
Stephanie… Em hmm. (Thinking.)
Seth… That cannot occur until change over time has been taken in, processed as a creative effort that you have put into that line of study has been satisfactory to you.
Stephanie… Right, so you have to be actively working on that knowledge.
Seth… So, until you decided, and we will make this slightly personal that your father gave you very bad images of beauty because that’s how he measured self worth with women.
Stephanie… Em hmm.
Seth… So, until you decided that the idea of beauty was incorrect from whatever age you started…
Stephanie… Em hmm.
Seth… let’s assume nine and until let’s assume thirty-eight, until you decided that, that was no longer part of you, your viewpoints were still mired here in what you desired. We may also look for example with the man through whom I speak, his viewpoints of dealing with Shirley Sara were formulated and maintained the same relevance to him let us say for thirty or forty years.
Stephanie… Em hmm.
Seth… So, he left his home every morning, traveled the country road, took a side path, did other things but his viewpoint of Shirley Sara was identical.
Stephanie… Even though many things have happened in between to give other potential opportunities for learning, to change the viewpoint but it doesn’t matter.
Seth… It does not matter.
Stephanie… Right.
Seth… His viewpoint will use the same age of nine.
Stephanie… Right.
Seth… Was still that age of nine yet his difficulty is in understanding and realizing that he is here (Seth demonstrating throughout by pointing from one point to another.) no longer here but his mental acuity is still the viewpoint of the start of the country road here so he may accept here, he may understand here, he may clearly be able to define here but yet here has not changed.
Stephanie… Em hmm.
Seth… So, until he makes a physical change, meaning the questions that have been asked and answered, he will always be here and not benefiting from his experiences.
Stephanie… Right the change is having been…
Seth… They have not become part of him who exists in The Ever Expanding Now.
Stephanie… Right, I mean isn’t that really what therapy is really supposed to do?
Seth… Well not in the way you individuals practice it but let’s leave that for a different time.
Stephanie… Okay, well aside from the, you know whatever joking around.
Seth… No, that’s not a joke, that is a statement of fact.
Stephanie… So that it’s but I am saying isn’t that what therapy how it is supposed to be helpful? The idea of all the toxic negative thoughts that you’ve incorporated, to go back and study them and bring yourself to the present to see that they’re no longer valid?
Seth… A toxic and negative thought may be the most beneficial thing that may happen to an individual.
Stephanie… Oh, because then they have understanding.
Seth… Then they have understanding so a negative…
Stephanie… But isn’t that what therapy is supposed to be? To learn that…
Jasmine… Unlocking.
Stephanie… that’s what they are?
Seth… Therapy the way in which it should be designed is to allow the patient to experience.
Stephanie… Em hmm.
Seth… That is the answer.
Frank… Right.
Stephanie… Okay so that then they can choose a different one.
Seth… You do not choose experiences. Experiences are! It is what you choose to do with the information that matters. And not what you do with the experience.
Stephanie… Right.
Seth… When I tell you that a teacher is there only to provide information…
Stephanie… Right.
Seth… then of course the information that the teacher provides is just that. It is what the experience becomes relevant to and how the person creates using that experience and that information determines change over time.
Stephanie… Or the opportunity for it.
Seth… Remember you are on a path of accession.
Stephanie… Em hmm.
Seth… What is your true path of accession or as I would prefer to call it your path of return? You are on a path of return just as we are in terms of returning to The All That Is.
Stephanie… Em hmm.
Seth… Therefore, your experiences in The Ever Expanding Now determine what you bring to a higher level of existence.
Stephanie… Em hmm.
Seth… And whatever you choose to specialize in there, whatever you choose to do is of course your way of doing things. Let me see if I can put this in another way. In too many times the idea that what you are is unhappy, gloomy, your life is filled with “one disaster after another.” It is in reality a delusion that you cause yourself.
Stephanie… Em.
(There was a long pause while individuals wrote that down and perhaps took Seth’s statement in.)
Seth… Now, if I were to ask each of you and it perhaps is an obvious question: on the physical plane what is the brightest area on the physical plane that you know of?
Shanna… The Sun.
Seth… The Sun is correct. Well in reality here one must become the Sun. Brightness, warmth, love, happiness is all part of incorporating change over time within yourself. For if you will then look at your experiences whether positive or negative with the idea that you are the Sun, the warmth and radiance that you provide to yourself allows you to experience that which you find important. Individuals who are studying similar things may understand the relevant ideas within that line of study. Other individuals who are on a completely different line of study cannot fathom in most cases what you are dealing with. So again, be the Sun. Allow yourself the luxury to bring into you the warmth and radiance of self. For it is you, for it is you who creates that which you are so that you may experience the growth of experience that you are creating. You must learn to experience that which you create.
Jasmine… The growth of experience that you are creating?
Seth… Em hmm. You must learn to experience that which you create. The question then arises: how many individuals do not truly experience that which they create?
Stephanie… Nobody.
Seth… I do not agree with you.
Stephanie… Most.
Seth… Most do not experience what they create because of the fact that they do not take responsibility for, become afraid of that which they perceive as an experience!
Stephanie… Who really doesn’t do this? I mean you are talking about… I mean okay, say everyone because obviously there is no such thing as absolute all but what kind of a person has absolutely no fear and experiences literally every single thing they create?
Seth… Your viewpoint here is far too literal.
Frank… Don’t we get snippets? Don’t all of us get snippets?
Seth… Your viewpoint here is much too literal. There are numerous situations where every individual that you have ever met, will ever meet does create and does understand what they have done. There are individuals who accept more of what they create. There are individuals who accept less of what they create. The experience in certain individuals, they will accept certain things, they will disregard certain things and the question here arises. What is an experience that is acceptable? That’s the question you are asking. The question can only be answered what is an acceptable experience by the individual who creates that experience. When for example, Isabella does not understand that her creations are incomplete or does not take full responsibility for what she says; then of course she has difficulty in dealing with others. When a student makes excuses for not working diligently with something that gives the student problems then of course they are not accepting the experience as offered. The hardest thing to deal with here in any situation is not getting what you believe you need.
Stephanie… That’s why I asked, who can really do this kind of thing consistently? Because you are talking about…
Seth… Most individuals do this to a far greater extent than you can imagine.
Stephanie… Do what, taking responsibility?
Seth… No, understanding the experience. We are not saying taking the responsibility of anything.
Stephanie… That they understand the experience?
Seth… Most people do this to a far greater extent than you can imagine.
Jasmine… Wait, most people understand the experience?
Seth… Most people will understand the experience. You may intellectually understand the experience meaning you are on the age nine-page but if you are on the age seventeen-page linear time meaning there and you accept intellectually what has gone on here does not mean that your viewpoint is still not down here. You may understand the experience; it doesn’t mean that you are dealing with it as a seventeen-year-old. Your viewpoints have been so skewed by the nine-year-old that you are not able to function here yet. So, until you make the change over time to elevate yourself to the seventeen-year-old, forty-two-year-old, fifty-eight-year-old whatever then of course change over time becomes more and more and more difficult. That is when individuals become dysfunctional or unhappy and seek a therapist.
Stephanie… When their level of discomfort becomes so great.
Seth… Correct.
Isabella… So, in the case of my not getting tenure… um…
Seth… In the case of not getting tenure, go ahead.
Isabella… I guess the hardest thing for me to deal with was not getting what I believed I needed which was tenure.
Seth… What you understood it was, (not the) not what it was.
Isabella… Okay, but now that I’m two years out of that already obviously my viewpoint has changed, and I understand the experience.
Seth… Correct.
Isabella… So, the experience is what I needed as opposed to getting tenure.
Seth… Correct.
Isabella… So, the experience of not getting tenure taught me more than had I gotten it in the first place?
Seth… You would not of allowed it.
Isabella… What do you mean I… I would not have allowed the experience. So, what I gained from that again, being humble and…
Seth… Let me ask you the simplest question I can.
Isabella… Emm.
Seth… Are you happier where you are now?
Isabella… A hundred percent.
Seth… Do you have more friends?
Isabella… A hundred percent.
Seth… Are you working and increasing your friendships?
Isabella… Absolutely.
Seth… You weren’t then.
Isabella… Right.
Seth… And remember when you increase friends in one area you should not exclude friends from another for whatever the reason. That is something you should write down and memorize.
Isabella… Say again.
Seth… When you have friends in one area, one area of your existence, one should never exclude them if you happen to be on a different path. Would that put you back at a lower level?
Isabella… If you are not friends in one area…
Seth… of existence one must not exclude them if you are on different path. Do you understand?
Stephanie… What prevents most people, I guess you already said it, from not, from their perceptions being so faulty to not be able to experience and make the changes?
Seth… What prevents them?
Stephanie… Yeah, you are talking about the whole want thing and the…
Seth… Of course.
Stephanie… fear and all of that?
Jasmine… What prevents them from making changes?
Stephanie… No, from not perceiving the experiences in a beneficial manner to cause the changes that are necessary.
Jasmine… Too uncomfortable.
Seth… The answer is quite simply this, if I were to give you a list of all the possible reasons for your question you would be long dead.
Stephanie… (Chuckles.) Right, okay so this is where… does this get you back to the idea that adversity is what we should seek.
Seth… No, adversity matters not, success matters not, the only thing that matters is how you perceive that which is.
Stephanie… Right but…
Seth… And what is your line of study in that bit of information.
Stephanie… Right but if our perceptions of something that is negative let’s say, we make our perceptions negative, isn’t that going to be a huge barrier to…
Seth… If a scientist creates a question and he gets a negative answer to it is that just as beneficial as getting a positive answer to it?
Stephanie… No, I understand, I’m talking about the perception of it.
Seth… No, the perception of it is used in terms of that which you perceive. When a scientist gets a negative answer, one must understand that no is just as beneficial as yes.
Stephanie… Right but what I am saying is that it’s often not perceived that way and I am saying that, that becomes a barrier to…
Seth… Not necessarily, it depends upon the individual. You cannot make a generalized statement.
Stephanie… Well, what I think what I am saying about it is that perceptions are often faulty based on whatever.
Seth… Your perceptions of sitting around this table are faulty! One thing has nothing to do with it.
Stephanie… Well, I’m trying to understand the idea that how we experience let’s say the adversity or the fact that we are not getting what we want isn’t, doesn’t that become a barrier to actually making changes?
Seth… Not at all because if you don’t get what you require on Street A, isn’t it normal that the person goes to Street B?
Stephanie… Maybe.
Shanna… Can that be a learning experience?
Seth… That’s what learning means. When you go from Street A to Street B you learn.
Isabella… So rather than it you know…
Seth… It is not a question of adversity at all. It is a question of what you are creating. How you create the movement to go from Street A to Street B is the experience you, that you require to incorporate into yourself.
Isabella… But isn’t it also how you view the experience? Like if you view it as adversity as opposed to viewing it as a learning experience?
Seth… When you have an obstacle…
Isabella… Right.
Seth… And we will end our portion here with this: whatever difficulty you have if you do not view it as a challenge and an opportunity then you are not creating well for yourself and your change over time becomes limited. If you view the obstacle as a challenge to be overcomed so that you may learn and experience, then of course you will gain and it becomes profitable.
I believe at this point we shall take a break.
Seth… Let us continue. Isabella, it is obvious that you having great difficulty with this lecture this evening, am I correct?
Isabella… With the second half of the beginning, I was fine.
Seth… For the most part, which is the most important part, you are, you have not done well, let’s put it to you that way. Am I correct?
Isabella… I’m beginning to understand it is not necessarily the experience that causes change, but it is when the experience is relevant and when you allow it to cause change.
Seth… Correct but I would like you to understand this fully for it will help you sincerely. Therefore, given that reason and upon my part I would like you to type up this session. Thank you.
Now that being stated… (Isabella was making a noise under her breath.) Yes, I would strongly suggest…
Isabella… Not one person asks a question tonight.
Shanna… (Said in a funny voice,) I’m sorry Isabella! (Group laughter.)
Isabella… Not one person asks a question. Nobody!
Shanna… I’m apologizing ahead of time.
Isabella… Nobody is allowed to ask questions tonight. How much time do I have for this?
Seth… How much would you like?
Isabella… Six months. (Group laughter and Isabella joins in.)
Seth… Well, if we put that in days. Let us put it this way, I believe knowing that your time schedule and restraints as they are, I believe three weeks is a fair…
Isabella… Three weeks!
Seth… Three weeks is a fair.
Isabella… That’s like nothing.
Shanna… This is a hard one.
Seth… I believe…
Isabella… Thanks Shanna. She is always with me.
Seth… I believe two weeks and six days. Would you like to continue arguing? Or can we leave it at three weeks, please? (Jasmine was talking typing and asking questions but it was hard to pick up on tape.) Would you like to type this one?
Isabella… Yes, she would. (Said in a whisper.) She does want to, she never has to type them.
Seth… That may change.
Jasmine… Oh, thanks Isabella! (Stephanie laughs and the rest of the group is talking.)
Shanna… Throwing everyone under the bus.
Isabella… No, you, I thanked graciously.
Seth… Let us… three weeks, three weeks.
Isabella… Fine!
Seth… For example, what are you doing Friday? Spend the day typing.
Shanna… Great workday to go shopping.
Isabella… Nope, typing.
Seth… Now, obviously there are great difficulties with the concept here. One question that was asked was what is the purpose of this?
Jasmine… Of what?
Stephanie… What is the purpose of this…
Frank… Of the session.
Seth… Of the session.
Isabella… Who asked that?
Seth… I cannot tell you who asked but would that person like to identify themselves? (Group laughter.). Kaetorina?
Stephanie… Thank you very much. I just need for you to make some other statements about this.
Jasmine… To pull it all together.
Stephanie… So, I understand what this is about but what…
Jasmine… So now what?
Stephanie… Yeah.
Seth… If you choose to understand that effective change must be relevant to experience and how you create…
Jasmine… Stop. (Frank chuckles.) Effective change must be?
Seth… Relevant to experience.
Jasmine… Experience and wasn’t there more?
Group… And how you create.
Seth… and how you create then the idea of change over time becomes understandable. Every day you experience a myriad of events. Some are very relevant to you; others are insignificant and quickly forgotten. It is as if they never happen. A line of study is something that a soul embarks upon because that information is interesting to them. The soul then creates relevant experiences, the more difficult, the more prosperous the line of study becomes. When something is easy how quickly is it forgotten? Kaetorina is an example of a soul who enjoys difficulty. It is part of her inner being and therefore will allow herself the luxury of shortening most of her lines of study. Her trust line of study is an immensely difficult task. Normally souls will spend forty to eighty lifetimes studying this type of information. She certainly will not. Does that answer your question?
Stephanie… Um, yeah okay so if we go back to that country road?
Seth… Correct.
Stephanie… For this change over time to occur what would be, would it just be the dissatisfaction of the journey that would put you on that different road?
Seth… Your experiences must become relevant to whatever line of study you are on.
Stephanie… Okay.
Seth… When they become relevant, and you are not satisfied…
Stephanie… Right.
Seth… You then make a subtle change, and you move to a slightly different road.
Stephanie… Em hmm.
Seth… Yet you still come back to where you started from.
Stephanie… Em hmm.
Seth… But if that change wasn’t significant enough you make another subtle change and then a third and then fourth and then a fifth and then a hundredth and all these subtle changes that you are making allow difficulties and obstacles to be overcome and when you are then meaning the larger you, the pencil in the middle, the true you is satisfied with that which you are now creating and experiencing that line of study ends and you move onto something else.
Stephanie… Okay so if we use my father for example, why did it take so long up to forty-two years now…
Seth… Fear.
Stephanie… Alright. So how come if this is true what you said about Kaetorina, how come I did not bring this to my experience sooner?
Seth… Why do things have to be sooner or further?
Stephanie… No but…
Seth… Things are what they are.
Stephanie… Right but why, why wouldn’t I have brought…
Seth… Fear. I told you the answer.
Frank… Why… why couldn’t it have been longer? Why did you get to it so…
Stephanie… No, it could have been longer.
Frank… Why did you get to it so quickly?
Jasmine… For me it’s… it’s brief. (Stephanie laughs and then so do others.) Brief!
Shanna… You still came to it. You could have gone a whole lifetime and not even seen it.
Stephanie… Right but the level of dissatisfaction…
Seth… Was growing.
Stephanie… Right, was growing and so…
Seth… That’s why whenever something reaches and in physics you will understand the idea of a critical mass.
Stephanie… Em hmm.
Seth… The same is true with soul. When something reaches a critical mass…
Stephanie… Em hmm. That’s the time…
Seth… such as for example a child having a temper tantrum. That is the explosion that is seen.
Stephanie… Em hmm, em hmm.
Seth… Same thing here.
Stephanie… And it’s just you would then say also readiness? That’s when you would make a statement like that? Why did this happen? Well, you were ready.
Seth… Correct.
Stephanie… Uh huh. So ready for it to end?
Seth… No, ready for it to be understood and experienced.
Stephanie… Oh right, ready for it to be understood. Okay and experience plus change.
Seth… Possibly.
Stephanie… Em hmm. Right, so at this point let’s say with this with my father for example, I would no longer return to who I was three weeks ago?
Seth… Have you?
Stephanie… No, I haven’t. And would you say then that would be a line of study that was over?
Seth… Is your line of study over with your father?
Stephanie… No, but what aspect of that line of study then? Do you mean being the victim of?
Seth… A line of study is what is. You can try to dissect it if you will. You can try to reshape it but it’s still a whole.
Stephanie… Right but…
Seth… When all questions have been asked and answered a line of study ends.
Stephanie… Okay, right.
Seth… Do you understand?
Stephanie… Right so when I no longer have negative feelings about it that’s when the study would end.
Seth… Not necessarily.
Stephanie… Oh.
Seth… You may have to work on positive feelings about something.
Stephanie… Em hmm.
Seth… Do you understand?
Stephanie… It’s just the idea of studying with another; it doesn’t matter negative or positive.
Seth… Correct.
Are there any other questions?
Isabella… I have a question.
Seth… I thought you said no questions.
Isabella… I have to ask something.
Seth… We’ll give a nice long answer.
Isabella… So, I… Thank you. So, I was in court the other day and I had a Chance Encounter with a woman who was sitting next to me, and we started chatting and she started asking me what I did for a living and I told her I was teacher. And I said what did you do, and she said she was a doctor, that she was a gynecologist and like an OBGYN and she was African American, she was not dressed well, she had huge gold hoop earrings and of course I went to the whole there’s no way that she’s a doctor place. And I asked her questions about it and you know I asked where do you work? And she said oh I work at Down State, and she said I was a nurse there first and then I loved Nursing and I became a doctor and she started telling me this weird story about how she delivered twins and all this kind of stuff. And it just seemed odd. It just seemed like she didn’t know what she was talking about and I was still questioning but we were having a good time. And I was still questioning whether or not she was being honest and truthful with me. So, as I’m leaving court, I see her with her I.D. Badge out and on her I.D. Badge, it said Nurse. So, I knew she was lying to me because when she saw that I saw her I.D. Badge she quickly flipped it over and put it away. And I am just curious as to what that Chance Encounter is about?
Seth… The answer is simple. Were you the Chance Encounter, or was she?
Isabella… Oh… You know I thought that actually, that I was there for her. That she would see she that didn’t have to lie and feel badly about herself.
Seth… Correct. (Seth has explained that your life is like a play. You are the star of your own play. There are three types of players in your play besides yourself. They are Lifelong Players who provide you with a multitude of lessons on many levels. There are Seasonal Players who come into your life and teach you a lesson or two that may be somewhat one dimensional. Then there are Chance Encounters. The universe can impart a lesson or a sense of direction through any number of individuals or events. Picking up a book that imparts something to you can be a chance encounter. In the above example Isabella was a chance encounter for the woman at court. It is quite helpful to be aware of experiences that seem serendipitous. These may be chance encounters pointing you towards an important direction.)
Are there any other questions?
Shanna… I have a question. Ah, I’m just been having some like difficulty lately but pinpointing what’s causing me dis-ease. So, I was wondering if you could give me any guidance on that?
Seth… Well, let’s ask a number of poignant questions.
Shanna… Em hmm.
Seth… Is it not true that you are concerned with money?
Shanna… Umm, yeah, to a degree.
Seth… To a degree. And because you are concerned with money that is one aspect of your dis-ease.
Shanna… Em hmm.
Seth… Again, how is your mother doing?
Shanna… She’s okay.
Seth… Where is she?
Shanna… (Laughs.) My apartment. (Group giggles.)
Seth… A second cause of dis-ease. Do you understand and I am just going to use those two factors there for you.
Shanna… Em hmm.
Seth… Others might be more personal than I would like to get into at this point of reference. But is it not true that even with just those two factors, do they not fill up that which at times is overwhelming to you?
Shanna… Yes.
Seth… And when you are concerned about this and about this you tend, not you as an individual the larger mass of you…
Shanna… Em hmm.
Seth… becomes focused on those type of difficulties.
Shanna… Meaning the one’s you just mentioned?
Seth… Yes, for you as an individual…
Shanna… Right.
Seth… But and everyone and they would not of course be the same for everyone.
Shanna… Right, yes.
Seth… It just is.
Shanna… Yes.
Seth… So now since they would be relevant to you…
Shanna… Em hmm.
Seth… You must dissect them if you will and learn to make effective changes. For example, you are probably believing that you are working your hardest to bring money into your home. You have a full-time job.
Shanna… Emm.
Seth… You have part time work.
Shanna… Em hmm.
Seth… But if money is still an issue you have a mate.
Shanna… Em hmm.
Seth… Perhaps you may then open a line of study and discussion about what he is doing with his life.
Shanna… Em hmm.
Seth… And how he may be more of assistance to the family unit if you will.
Shanna… Yeah, that was done already.
Seth… So… I’m aware.
Shanna… (Laughs.) Moving on.
Seth… It’s not even a question of moving on.
Shanna… Well…
Seth… It is a simple question of all this brings dis-ease to you.
Shanna… Em hmm.
Seth… And that is why you are having difficulty because that which you perceive at this point of reference is not comforting. And there is also a question here of the dealing with your mother and what is going to happen there.
Shanna… Em hmm.
Seth… All this again, with the overriding factor of the family unit makes it uncomfortable for you.
Shanna… Em hmm.
Seth… And what you can do about this is if you dissect it and work on pieces of the puzzle it is much more likely that your viewpoint of what is going on may lead you in more positive directions. Do not look at a whole, look at a part.
Shanna… Right.
Seth… And when you look at the part it is easier to handle the whole. If you had a journey of a thousand miles and had to walk it, is it easier to look at I’m going to walk five miles a day or is it easier to go ahead and say I have to walk a thousand miles?
Shanna… Right, so if I have like these stresses instead of just thinking about all of them, I should just think about one of them?
Seth… Not just think about (Shanna is giggling.) it’s in terms of having a plan of directions.
Shanna… Okay.
Seth… When one is stressed, when one is bothered, one has no sense of direction.
Shanna… Em hmm.
Seth… You feel lost, you feel overwhelmed, you feel inadequate.
Shanna… Yes.
Seth… And because you do feel overwhelmed, stressed, and inadequate the area becomes blurry and because it becomes blurry your effective way of creating is diminished.
Shanna… Right.
Seth… Does that help?
Shanna… It does but like what I was just saying is so instead of looking at everything as a whole you’re saying like dissect it.
Seth… But don’t just, if you dissect here, just don’t deal here, do here, here, here and here…
Shanna… At different times.
Seth… At different times, yes. Just don’t concentrate on one area and ignore the rest.
Shanna… So, it matters not where I begin.
Seth… No. Never does.
Shanna… Okay.
Seth… Are there any other questions? Just a slow long one please.
George… So, there are two points I have been thinking about for awhile is I have always had a lot of problems with allergies since I was a very little kid and one of the things I’m always allergic to are animals and that seems very much in contradiction to what I felt at least on some level and to some degree my life calling was which was working with animals. And is there some reason behind the obvious challenge that brings to the job that I’m facing?
Seth… No, the solution becomes simpler than you can possibly imagine. (Stephanie mumbled something and Frank laughed.)
Please say that louder.
Stephanie… Allergy shots.
Seth… That is correct, in terms of the love of one thing and the obstacle that you have with that one thing can be overcomed, and there are a myriad of ways that you may handle that obstacle. You may go ahead and choose to as Kaetorina said take an allergy shot. You may take a… Excuse me?
Isabella… Ask him.
George… I’ve been on allergy shots before.
Seth… Are you still on them?
George… No.
Seth… Why not?
George… Because they didn’t… were not effective.
Seth… Well, then maybe the idea of changing the allergist is more important than the shot itself. See you are medically oriented here. From my perspective you can just say, I’m not allergic and just move along. But from your perspective you must then go ahead and learn to effectively deal with what comforts you in terms of meaning, how you are going to allow yourself to prosper in whatever you choose to do.
George… Why does the universe manifest situations like that?
Seth… Well, the universe does not manifest anything. You manifest it. You are responsible and if you had a pen and paper, you should write this down and memorize it, you are what you create. The universe only grants you what you are asking for. It will either grant you wanting. It will fulfill your needs. When you have dis-ease which is what you have it is an inducement to remove the dis-ease. Do you understand?
George… Yes, basically, I think I do. I can go back and try a new allergist and go approach it…
Seth… Approach it again with a fresh start.
George… Approach again from a different perspective.
Seth… And there may be other different medications and there may other different danders that you are not allergic to or are allergic to that you were not before.
George… Em.
Seth… The more you challenge yourself by not the more needy you become.
There was and I shall not mention the names because you are not aware of this but there are a number of major league baseball players who are highly allergic to grass. Do I have to go on?
George… Em hmm.
Seth… So therefore, it is the ability of the individuals to create what they require that it will give them greater assistance in their own individual pursuits of happiness.
Isabella… So, could he be, could George be creating these allergies with animals as a, as an obstacle that he believes he is creating with his choice of career?
Seth… Everybody creates dis-ease as a challenge, not just him. It’s everyone.
Isabella… Em hmm. Oh, I know and M.S., AIDS do I have to go into…
Seth… We’ve cured you of many different ailments.
Isabella… Yes, I have been cured of all ailments.
Seth… Brain tumors.
Isabella… Brain tumors.
Frank… Leprosy.
Isabella… No, I never had leprosy.
Seth… That will be the next.
Isabella… No, I’ve been very good.
Seth… Are there any other questions? (Pause.) Frank?
Frank… No. (Some giggling.)
Isabella… No?
Frank… (In a sing song voice,) No questions for you, Isabella! (Laughter.) Enjoy the typing! (More laughter.) (This session was apparently typed by Isabella but could not be found and was eventually typed by Frank in November of 2012. I actually came to appreciate the typing, and the added learning by doing so. FN)
Stephanie… I just want to ask… (Laughter.)
Isabella… Stephanie!
Stephanie… It’s very quick.
Isabella… It doesn’t matter how quick it is, it’s the words that you say.
Stephanie… I know you don’t have to type this part.
Frank… Oh!
Seth… Yes, she’s required to type it.
Stephanie… You know how I, ah that I don’t allow myself to get sick. That once I see it coming on is that a country road metaphor? You know when I say I will not, is that any of what you are talking about that I am not going to participate? That’s an experience that I’m…
Seth… That’s an experience that you do not choose to participate in. I believe Shirley Sara is much more effective at that than you are.
Stephanie… Right, like her whole lifetime.
Seth… Correct.
Stephanie… Okay so but the change over time is that related to any, she’s always…
Seth… For the most part yes, she has always maintained excellent health.
Stephanie… Alright so there’s not been any need for change over time at that topic.
Seth… Correct. She does not choose to participate in it.
Stephanie… Right, right, right, okay.
Seth… And your question is?
Stephanie… No there is none.
Seth… Are there any other questions?
Let me leave you with this. Change over time for most is a slow painstaking procedure that all who inhabit the physical plane must learn to deal with. When your experiences cause you to make effective changes you become the Sun, you radiate. You lose the youthful understanding that has often held you back. As you mature effective change allows you to fulfill your needs. That which you thought you wanted melts away by the radiance of your sun which is in reality you. Be faithful to yourself. Choose the path that is not easy. Overcome what you must. Bypass that which you need to and your future will be bright. I bid you all a fond good evening.
All… Good evening.
(Session ended at 9:55 P.M.)
