Seth 375
When Problems Repeat
Tuesday June 03, 2008
7:40 p.m.
Seth… Good evening. As you are all aware of, I assigned you some homework even if you were not here and we shall take the beginning portion of the session and go around and have you read your five items and we shall then look at one or two or all five of them if I deem it necessary and we shall move on from there. Isabella, you may start us off.
Isabella… Fear of being alone, the complete absence of self-worth, wanting to have everyone to take care of me, my defensive nature and anger management.
Seth… Fine. Which one do you believe is the most important for you?
Isabella… Self-worth.
Seth… Seth-worth. Then what I would like you to do for next week is I would like a detailed paragraph, written please, defining what you mean and specifically in another paragraph or two going ahead and stating very clearly how you would intend to first approach this subject and what you intend hopefully gain by doing so. Pass the microphone in any direction, it makes no difference.
George… The first one is to make myself more available for other people in my life, do more things for people. The second one is to reach out more in my family. The third is be more honest with people in terms of what I want, what I need,
Seth… You do realize that some of them you are already saying but go ahead.
George… Be more disciplined, organize in my life so that I can accomplish more of what I set out to do. Stop looking for others for guidance for all the various aspects in my life that I should look for myself more.
Seth… And what do you believe is the most important for you to do?
George… Learn to get more discipline and organized in my life.
Seth… Fine. What I would like you to do is to write down fifteen things you are not organized about. Take a note, write fifteen things you are not organized about. You are then going to go ahead and write down how you are going to organize that portion of your life and what steps you are going to take not to fall back upon your disorganized ways. Fair enough?
Betty?
Betty… I’m still working on; I’m having trouble hearing what other people have already said. Can I hold so I can get a sense…
Seth… No, no, this is five items that you believe you have not looked at or worked on. It matters not what everybody else has said.
Betty… That I have not at all looked at or just not kind of working as hard as I need to?
Seth… Usually, it is not looking at all but you can use the other reference point if possible.
Betty… Um, probably my health.
Seth… One.
Betty… Aging. Making new relationships.
Seth… What is the second one please?
Betty… Aging.
Seth… Aging is part of your health, next. You have one there, go ahead.
Betty… I guess working harder at making new relationships here although I am doing something there. Working harder than I know currently as in terms of spirituality, meditating, all that kind of stuff. My age old letting go but it’s not like I’m not working on it, it continues to be a struggle. Do I need another one?
Seth… Yes, you do, we’ll wait.
Betty… Ah… can’t really come up with anything.
Seth… Fine, what are the top three things that you think are most important for you?
Betty… Probably paying more attention to my health, again having been there and lost it. Paying more attention to my spirituality, again having been there and not working so hard. And really you know starting a new life here although I am doing it but definitely (struggling)…
Seth… Fine, what I would…
Betty… with relationships.
Seth… What I would like you to do please is to take a very good look at your health…
Betty… Em hmm.
Seth… and friendship issues.
Betty… Okay.
Seth… And what I would like you to do is to, for you to give me at least twenty-five items of how you are going to go ahead and improve your health and friendship. What steps are you going to take?
Betty… Okay.
Seth… We will discuss this next week.
Stephanie… (Laughed.) Okay, beauty, patience, trust, procrastination and forgiveness.
Seth… Well, we will forget about trust since you are doing that on a routine basis.
Stephanie… Oh.
Seth… What is the next two most important things you have to do?
Stephanie… The most important? Ah…
Seth… Fear.
Stephanie… Oh, probably beauty and um… patience maybe.
Seth… Well, certainly I would skip the beauty portion of that, procrastination and patience.
Stephanie… Really?
Seth… Correct.
Stephanie… (Stephanie was whispering to herself) Procrastination? (Isabella laughed and there were remarks.) No, but I didn’t think…
Frank… (Joking.) I don’t think I can get to that one! (Group Laughter.)
Stephanie… I don’t think that is my, one of my most major. Alright whatever, go ahead.
Seth… So far, you’ve proven my point. (Stephanie laughed.) What I would like you to do is to simply go ahead (Tapped on the table for Stephanie to write.) and look at both items, find out how they are connected and name twenty things that you are going to do… (Stephanie made a noise and probably a face.) twenty five things that you are going to do to combine the two so that you may have an easier time of getting through in development of being patient and forgiving.
Stephanie… Um, you didn’t say that, you said procrastination and patience…
Seth… And patience. Well, it’s also forgiveness to be thrown in there.
Stephanie… Oh, how are they connected with procrastination and patience…
Seth… And forgiveness.
Stephanie… Okay forgiveness. So, twenty-five things I am going to do…
Seth… Not twenty-five different things. How are you going to look at those two or three items?
Stephanie… Right.
Seth… What you are then going to do to move in a direction of change so that you can combine those items, so you don’t fall down and become dissatisfied. You understand?
Stephanie… (Said softly.) Okay, twenty-five things that I am going to do change them.
Seth… Jasmine?
Jasmine… Okay, I said I have to continue working in these areas: being strong, capable and independent, doing for self, letting negativity pass through, separating and still number four asserting self, standing up for self and five is appreciating and noticing the positive.
Seth… You used the first one there you wrote, learning to be strong, capable and independent it does take in all the rest of what you said. What I would like you to do is to plan out a theme of…
Jasmine… Oops, my pen won’t write, okay.
Seth… Is to plan out a theme… (A cell phone rang.) Please turn the phone off. Is to plan out a theme to incorporate that which you are missing in those three items to be strong, capable and independent.
Jasmine… Strong, capable and independent. (Said at the same time as Seth.)
Seth… In other words, you do not have those qualities at this point, so you want to develop a plan or a theme that you are going to use on a day-to-day basis to incorporate that which you require into you so that it becomes an important and integral part of you. You understand?
If you feel you are not strong therefore you are not capable and therefore you are not independent. What can you do is the idea of the theme to make that factual for you? Do you understand now?
Jasmine… Okay just repeat that again, what can I do to make all those things part of me?
Seth… Correct.
Frank?
Jasmine… Wait, I said take the first one which has to do with being strong, capable and independent and plan out a theme to incorporate that which I’m missing. Develop a plan to incorporate that which I need so that these things become an integral part of me and the question that you asked can make it easy with what I can do to make all of these things part of me.
Seth… Correct, it’s all part of the same thing.
Jasmine… Oh. (To Frank.) Did you start working on these?
Frank… A little bit but didn’t make any difference.
I have not dealt with some of the abdication I do with Cyndi particularly around organizing work around the family. I’m too snappish or angry particularly with the children, I have not taken responsibility for expanding the quality of certain friendships and contacts and I have actually the idea of being lazy in certain areas of my practice like particularly with progress notes and that sort of thing.
Seth… Well, what you have defined there is that in generalized idea of procrastination and not doing much.
Frank… Okay.
Seth… Therefore, what I would like you to do is I would like you to list what can you do to stop procrastinating with your wife, your family, with friendships, your practice. What steps can you take, that is what you must do.
Arthur?
Arthur… As I wrote them it was the issues of fear, pride which includes haughtiness and criticality and anger, forgiveness of self and other which may include self-esteem, intimacy with love, sex, friendship and power and responsibility.
Seth… Well, the one that you haven’t looked at, at all is abandonment. So, what you are going to go ahead and do is to very, very simply give me first of all fifteen reasons why you feel abandoned and twenty-five reasons how you are going to get over it.
Arthur… Fifteen reasons…
Seth… Why you feel abandoned and twenty-five reasons how you are going to learn to move on.
Now that we all have a little work to do, I shall prepare my own lecture for next week. (Adventurous reader, obviously you do not have Seth to directly focus you on the next step of this exercise but if you re-read his responses to us, you can tell the direction you should head. Make a list of thirty weaknesses and pick five that seem the most important to you. You may want to review them with a friend or a spouse that you trust as often others see us more clearly than we do ourselves. Then you list the steps to take to change those things from weakness towards strength and then do it. F.N.)
That being stated we are on the subject of change and this number is 375. The reason that this assignment has been given in this way is because you are all on a journey and yet this journey is in general our country road (In the very first session Seth mentions the concept of the “country road.” He has used this as a metaphor to help us understand various ideas about the soul’s journey upon incarnating on the physical plane. He speaks further about this later in the session. F.N.) which I have previously described. It is very easy to look at things and when these things tend to repeat themselves one can become angry and frustrated. Commonly one can say I’ve been around this block before. Have you ever noticed the idea that when you believe you have successfully conquered a problem the problem seems to repeat itself and so anger and frustration here move in.
Stephanie… When you notice you have successively…
Seth… When you believe you have successfully looked and finished with a problem…
Stephanie… The problem comes back?
Seth… And the universe provides you with a similar problem.
Stephanie… To make sure you have learned it?
Seth… Why don’t you listen to the lecture?
Isabella… You believe you have conquered.
Seth… And so, the universe is going to then redefine that problem for you, and you are going to have another opportunity to see how your mastery of the situation has affected your ability to handle that type of a problem. Most commonly on our circular journey we will meet this problem again and again and it will by its very nature present itself in various disguises. When one then strips away the appearance of what you believe the problem is you will commonly find out that you have indeed not mastered the situation. So, on our circular journey one must be prepared to enter any situation with the knowledge that I must always view the difficulty as an opportunity to finally master that problem!
The question always occurs that in our journey have you ever left? And the answer is you have never left because every viewpoint, every scene has depth. There are many layers or dimensions to what you see and what you feel. Your reactions to that layer of difficulty will allow you to move on. When you have believed you have mastered the top layer you will see and discover that the underneath layers have different meanings. Yet the problem itself is still the same but the solution must be more creative.
Jasmine… The other way is what? When the top layer is mastered the other layer…
Isabella… Each layer has it own meaning.
Seth… The other layers have different meanings.
Isabella… The problem is the same the solution is…
Seth… The solution to the same or similar idea must change. Do you understand Jasmine?
Jasmine… I just want to know something. When the top layer is mastered, other layers have different meanings what? Must be mastered?
Isabella… When a top layer is mastered and you move to the next layer, each layer has different meanings, and the solutions must change.
Frank… May I ask a question? Would it be a different thing if it’s not a layer, but it is something related to it like part of a problem? Part A of a problem and part B.
Seth… Different layer, same idea.
Frank… It means the same thing?
Seth… Same thing, different layer.
Frank… I’ll refine the question, later.
Seth… No problem is individual onto itself, always has a connectable thing to something else.
Jasmine… So, I was able to handle the issue with confronting my mother and my sister over the jewelry and the money and things like that…
Seth… Is that not promoting yourself?
Jasmine… Is that one layer of this difficulty?
Seth… That is one layer of the difficulty.
Jasmine… And so, there will be many other layers that might have to do with separating and asserting and standing up for self or being strong capable and independent…
Seth… Correct.
Jasmine… But I will have to handle it in a different way?
Seth… Your solutions will be different.
Jasmine… I won’t just do the talking example?
Seth… Correct because it may or may not be appropriate.
Isabella… So, what about in my situation of self-worth and relationship?
Seth… What about it?
Isabella… In this idea of mastering the top layer and then I mean… when you say different solutions (is it) really all the same top layer?
Seth… No, it isn’t, how is your self-worth when it comes to teaching? How is your self-worth when it comes to standing up for yourself when somebody insults you or bothers you? Same idea, different solutions.
Isabella… Okay.
Seth… One you prepared for…
Isabella… Right.
Seth… One you beg for.
Isabella… One I prepared for… because I feel good about myself.
Seth… Same problem, different solutions.
Isabella… But it is not a problem in the area.
Seth… Certainly, was in the beginning.
Isabella… Okay.
Seth… So, on our journey each difficulty that you have is interconnected with other difficulties of the same nature. It is as if you had pages of a book that describe the problem so you open page 93 but the solution on page 247 may somewhat apply but it won’t fit perfectly. The lock will not open. The key is different therefore your viewpoints although you are seeing the same thing must be made to change. One cannot apply as our friend Frank has a tendency to do the same solution to everything. The key must be made by you to fit the lock that is presented to you. You cannot and should not view the same problem with the same ideas in mind. One may look at this in terms of what individuals like to call looking at others who have charmed lives. Each of you have seen or knows an individual or friend who seems to have the perfect child, has money, does not seem to have a care in the world yet their difficulties in reality, their difficulties in reality are similar to yours although your viewpoint does not allow you to see it. Each individual on the physical plane faces loss, loss of a parent, loss of a friend, loss of a loved one. Each individual on the physical plane must learn the same lessons. How they go about it is what you see.
Stephanie… And the idea of being the victim, being the perpetrator, all these lessons?
Seth… Any lesson that you can…
Stephanie… Love…
Seth… Love, honesty, faithfulness, loyalty, friendship. The person who has a charmed life may not have true friends because people are jealous of them.
Jasmine… So, Seth, how they go about learning the lessons is what?
Seth… Is a matter of their own choice. Their problems and your problems in all these common areas are similar. The person who is wealthy and has had a charmed life all of a sudden will suffer a business reversal and they will become poor.
Isabella… To learn lessons?
Seth… To learn to deal possibly with money. You don’t know what the lesson is because it matters not.
Stephanie… Does it all definitely deal with this?
Jasmine… No.
Stephanie… No, you are just saying what are the examples of?
Jasmine… Things they don’t want to deal with.
Seth… They all deal with it in various forms…
Jasmine… Eventually, not the business reversals, other lessons.
Seth… Jasmine, I am sorry you do not understand. In one life you may be very wealthy, in the next life you may be very poor. In one life you may be very wealthy and become poor. In another life you may be very poor and become wealthy.
Jasmine… I thought you meant in the same life.
Seth… No.
Now, the individual loving life who seems to live in the mansion and had all that she can have may suffer from a lack of intimacy from her husband. He may be unfaithful, and the problems are hidden from view. These are the type of situations that our circular journey from your perspective misses. Until things become clear one must be diligent in your own way of perceiving that which surrounds you. It is far too easy to observe an event and cause it to fit in with what you believe is factual than it is to understand the event itself.
Jasmine… It’s far too easy to observe an event and cause it to fit in with what you believe is factual then what it is to…
Stephanie… understand the event itself.
Seth… Most are guilty of that! Each of you becomes satisfied with the status quo. When things are good the reluctance to change becomes paramount. The idea of I don’t want to jinx myself is a common phrase. I’ve always done it this way. Why should I change? This viewpoint does not allow you to appreciate the simple fact that you can and should make your existence better. The temptation here to relax is far too great. Why bother, I have it so good? And my question is do you really? Look at your assignment. These are obvious things to the outside observer that require diligent effort upon your part. These items that we have asked you to do are done so that you as an individual may function at a higher level. How good would it be for Arthur not to be bothered with desertion? Would our friend Frank not like to walk into trees? And I could go on and on. Each of you with every step that you take along your never-ending journey must become aware that there is a universal constance that will guide and help you overcome that which plagues you.
Stephanie… What’s the universal constance?
Seth… That’s part of what you must figure out.
(There is a comment I believe by Arthur perhaps about the idea of the universe and repetition of lessons but is not audible.)
Seth… Some of that and there is a lot more to that.
Stephanie… Are you talking about when somebody feels good or things are good, you’re talking about that that is an illusion?
Seth… No! Let us assume…
Stephanie… Or real?
Seth… Or real, let us assume that Peter got over his OCD, William got a raise, Natalie through the help she is receiving at her school was able to improve her grades to Cs, As and Bs without a problem. Let’s assume you could make friendships easily and they were trustworthy, would that be good?
Stephanie… Yeah.
Seth… And you would then become happy with that.
Stephanie… Yeah, until something else reared its ugly head.
Seth… It’s not a question of that.
Stephanie… But that’s what always happens.
Seth… No and let’s assume it didn’t.
Stephanie… That’s not possible.
Seth… Oh, it is, and it commonly occurs.
Stephanie… How? When you… the challenges never stop.
Seth… Challenges never stop because you don’t… challenges stop because you don’t bring them to yourself. You become complacent and the second you become complacent you fall by the wayside. You don’t improve. You are not making yourself better.
Stephanie… Right, is there still a perception of happiness from the individual?
Seth… Of course, there is a perception of happiness from the individual. That doesn’t make it factual. For example, if one looks at an individual who says, I’m content, I read the paper, I watch my television, but I have no interaction with anybody else. How truly happy is that person? They will tell you very happy, I’m content, I’m satisfied, I’m not responsible for anybody. But the question is, what are they learning? What are they doing with their lives? Or are they just coasting along waiting for the inevitable?
Stephanie… Right, but you wouldn’t say they are delusional about their happiness?
Seth… No, they are happy, but they are not doing anything to improve themselves.
Stephanie… Alright and you say that’s a resting life then?
Seth… No, not at all.
Stephanie… No.
Seth… I don’t choose to use the word delusional because the connotation there is not correct.
Stephanie… Right but then how come the universe itself would not present this person with adversity that they would have no choice but to…
Seth… The adversity is their sitting by themselves. They are not intermixing with the people around them.
Stephanie… Right but they’re not having a perception that it is bothering them.
Seth… They know that something is wrong. They don’t know what it is because they believe they are happy and content.
Stephanie… But they know something is wrong?
Seth… They know something is lacking.
Stephanie… So how would that manifest in them then?
Seth… I don’t know, I don’t feel right. Something is just not good for me.
Stephanie… But their contentment prevents them from looking into that?
Seth… Of course.
Stephanie… And but then doesn’t the universe offer more of it so that they have no choice but to look?
Seth… No. If they don’t pick it up in this lifetime, they will pick it up in the next. You are looking at the universe as if it had a sledgehammer that hit you over the (Seth was clapping hands rhythmically.) head and forces you to do something (Stephanie is laughing.) because that is what you…
Stephanie… I can’t get away with anything. (Laughing.)
Seth… That is what you bring to it but that is not necessarily factual for others.
Stephanie… I really do not believe that.
Seth… Now you do. (Group laughter.)
Stephanie… I don’t believe that. Show me, I don’t know anybody with that.
Seth… Oh, you certainly do.
Isabella… Look at my grandmother. (Shirley Sarah.)
Stephanie… No, she’s miserable. Absolutely.
Frank… She doesn’t think so.
Seth… She doesn’t think…
Stephanie… Yes, she does. She has absolutely said I am lonely, I’m this, I’m that, I’m depressed. (Background conversation occurring.)
Seth… And therefore, what does she do with it? Nothing, she continues on in her same way and if you asked her in general is she happy she will tell you, yes, I am.
Stephanie… Because she doesn’t want to complain. (More group conversation that is difficult to pick up on tape.)
Seth… I believe at this point you could argue this question among yourselves, we shall take a break.
(Break 9:25)
Seth… Although you are all laughing at the concept here of challenges and opportunity the question of how do you look at being content when you are truly happy is quite simple. Ask yourself what do you choose to accomplish in this incarnation? If for example you are here to learn happiness and you are enjoying the beauty of a summer’s day, shouldn’t you also be happy with the idea that you can appreciate a lightening storm, thunder and wind because it is the magnificence of nature. If…
Jasmine… That’s different.
Seth… What is different? Beauty is still beauty, no matter how one observes it, Jasmine.
Jasmine… Yes, but you are talking about beauty…
Seth… I use it as an example. If you are here to let negativity roll by you and not incorporate it into you, you may hear a story about a family who had a tragic loss. Yet you are able to say I feel very badly for those individuals, but you don’t take inside of you and you are content and joyous for yourself that it didn’t happen to you. Yet when something happens to you that is even of smallest bit unpleasant and you take it into yourself the challenge is lost. The opportunity is gone because you do not allow yourself to observe. You participate, you make yourself part of the tragedy.
Jasmine… You mean the opportunity to learn?
Seth… Of course.
Isabella… Because you are so blocked in the tragedy?
Seth… You become part of the tragedy, no matter how minor it is.
Isabella… I don’t get how you become… oh, because you become so enmeshed in it that you become part of it.
Seth… Correct.
Isabella… Even if it has nothing to do with you.
Seth… Correct.
Jasmine… No, this is a case where it might have been to do with you, even a small piece is part of you, he said, not the stranger.
Seth… No, when something happens to you or a loved one, it is of the most minute portion, minor and you take it in to yourself you become drastically unhappy. That is what I described.
Jasmine… Right.
Seth… So, the challenge of happiness is not to be content, but it is to promote your own journey. It is the promotion of self that pushes you along. Yes, being happy is enjoyable and it should be sought out but being complacent when you are happy, wishing you were someone else is an invitation to disaster.
Isabella… So instead of enjoying where you are in the moment you are always wanting something else.
Seth… Correct.
Isabella… That leads to disaster.
Seth… Correct, it’s never enough.
Isabella… Right, so I’m personalizing so in my case right now this idea of living here and having what had happened to me with the ending of my marriage and all of that kind of stuff and now you know, not being in a relationship and all that kind of stuff, instead of enjoying being me and being alone with myself…
Seth… And learning and growing.
Isabella… Learning and growing.
Seth… About self.
Isabella… About self, obviously. It would be disaster for me to not appreciate that.
Seth… Correct and you don’t.
Isabella… So, what would be the disastrous about that?
Seth… How have you been feeling recently?
Isabella… Fantastic! (Meaning not so great.)
Seth… I thought so let us move along.
Stephanie… So, can I just say that you know Jasmine, for you and for me and probably everyone, I mean the idea of contentment many people would say or think that it would be that there is not all kinds of adversity going on. So, you know it’s the idea of shifting your perception of what contentment is. If you are waiting for the negative to stop coming…
Seth… How about waiting for the happiness to continue?
Stephanie… Right, I am just saying that that’s rarely what I mean what one is thinking about. It’s when is this going to stop? Then I will be content verses not staring at that.
Seth… Remember our journey, (The country road.) you leave your home in the morning, you view the nice scenes, the beautiful countryside and morning turns to midmorning which turns to lunch, and you stop and have a beautiful lunch and you go on from there and you continue your journey through early afternoon. By midafternoon it’s warm, it is gorgeous, you are pleasantly surprised. Now it is turning into early evening, and you stop and you have your supper and from early evening you continue along till you return home. Have you ever left? And the answer is no because if that is all you are allowing yourself to see you might not have gained anything. But if along your journey you help someone else, you’ve found pleasure in looking at a river that you did not see before, if you are unhappy because the lunch was not as good as you would have liked, all these things promote you and in the promotion of self you grow. You live in the ever-expanding-now. The greater you become the greater your reward. Do you understand?
Stephanie… Yeah, you are talking about change.
Seth… I am talking here about change. Did you ever leave?
Are there any other questions? (Betty was speaking on the phone.) Go ahead.
Betty… I’m coming off the statement in terms of what it is we wish to accomplish in this incarnation and myself I am struggling with really defining that in any clear terms. Do we really know that? I mean are there people out there, talking about looking at others who are very clear on what it is they are here to do?
Seth… Why do you have to define in any point of reference what you are here to do?
Betty… That’s my question, do I have to?
Seth… Why do you believe that you should?
Betty… (Was talking at the same time.) Or is it something that essentially unfolds?
Seth… Why do you believe that you should?
Betty… I guess during periods of more uncertainty I guess… as an anchor. I guess it’s really perhaps part of the lesson in either fate or learning to be more comfortable going with the flow. I don’t know.
Seth… What you are here to do simply is to promote yourself. When you have to define who and what you are, that is a limiting statement. It is limiting because it forces you not to grow. You understand?
Betty… I mean that’s very; I find personally very difficult to do because I would be constantly changing the more I go on.
Seth… No if you define who and what you are you limit your own growth. If you do not define who and what you are and what your exact position is, you allow yourself the opportunity to develop into things you have no concept of because you did not define them.
Betty… Is that a bad thing?
Seth… That’s a wonderful thing.
Betty… Oh okay.
Seth… Do you understand?
Betty… Yes.
Seth… Are there any other questions?
Frank… How do you not have to define you self somewhat? You have to define yourself somewhat.
Seth… You do the… Frank, you are now so lost in a forest that the idea of defining yourself has now become worrisome. You define yourself from moment to moment. The cells that make up your existence define themselves from birth to till death. Each cell has a consciousness, it knows where it is, where it came from and where it’s going. Yet you as an individual have no direct contact with any specific cell in your body, yet the entire gestalt of you defines you. You are looking for a simplistic answer, I have to partially define myself. My question is why? You have no answer to that. You may define yourself if specifically asked as a husband, as a father, as a therapist but that doesn’t define who and what you are. That is a thing. It is what you do. Do you understand?
Frank… I understand that but I am not sure that I understand it visa-vie the earlier statement of not defining yourself. I don’t understand that.
Seth… The idea is if you define yourself as A, whatever that is you cannot grow because that’s a finite statement.
Frank… If I define myself as a shoemaker…
Seth… That is a thing that you do.
Frank… Alright, so that is not what you are talking about.
Seth… Not at all.
Frank… So, give me an example of defining one’s self that would limit you.
Seth… You are defining yourself for example as a person at a specific point of reference who needs to temper judgment with mercy… kindness.
Frank… Right.
Seth… If you define yourself as a person who must do that you are now limited.
Frank… Alright, that is only one of the things I might do…
Seth… I’m giving you a simplistic example of one thing.
Stephanie… One thing that was interesting that I read um…
Seth… A wonderful book, go ahead.
Stephanie… Such an interesting concept, the idea of nirvana that you were stating was like…
Seth… Figured that out tonight, didn’t you?
Stephanie… (Laughs.) It was like the death knell of States because it’s a…
Seth… And individual and people and religion because if you are in Nirvana there is nothing better.
Stephanie… There is nowhere to go. There is no…
Seth… So therefore, you must go downhill.
Stephanie… And also, there is no change there.
Seth… No change possible. Now you understand what I meant.
Jasmine… But what about the concept of rejoining with The All That There Is? When you’ve defined yourself and answered every problem there is to answer and addressed everything, isn’t that a state of Nirvana when you have rejoined with the All There Is?
Seth… No. Because do you stay there?
Jasmine… For a stop, I guess. I don’t know for how long. For some time, I would assume, I don’t know if you can define it in terms of time.
Seth… Is there any such thing as time?
Jasmine… No, I just said you can’t define it in terms of time.
Seth… Do you eventually decide to go back on your journey?
Jasmine… Yes.
Seth… Your answer is even in the most pleasurable moment that you could ever possibly imagine…
Jasmine… The purest, perfect moment.
Seth… You still want more. You still want change and that is the magnificence of The All There Is.
Stephanie… So, Nirvana is that (unclear)
Seth… Correct which leads to the doom.
Stephanie… And what about the Buddhists who would love to achieve that, what are they… what goes on for them?
Seth… Do they ever truly achieve it? The answer is no.
Stephanie… Alright.
Seth… It is a methodology that is correct. The outcome never can be.
Stephanie… And do they suffer from not achieving what they think…
Seth… We are not going to go into what one person thinks…
Stephanie… No, but what’s their understanding then…
Seth… Their understanding is to rejoin and in terms of Nirvana with The All There Is, that is the best way I…
Stephanie… Oh, that they define it.
Jasmine… Reincarnation?
Seth… They reincarnate at a higher and higher and higher and higher and higher level…
Jasmine… Right.
Seth… But that still does not give them the satisfaction of what they want.
Jasmine… But they don’t know that.
Seth… Correct.
Frank… There are concepts in that religion or in different areas of that religion that one goes there and then they perhaps in a sense enjoy too much and then fall out of favor and then then have to go all over again.
Stephanie… In the same lifetime?
Frank… No, many lives.
Stephanie… Oh.
Frank… Like you were the King and by experiencing perhaps even enjoying it too much now you have to go back from…
Seth… You start again and come back up.
Isabella… I have a question in relationship to cells could you say more about that every cell has a consciousness and whatever? Um I…
Seth… It knows where it has been and where it is going and what it will become.
Isabella… So, if someone donates organs to somebody else, do they take with them the consciousness of the body in which they came from? Or they…
Seth… Of course.
Isabella… Or do they adapt into the body that they are.
Seth… They of course take what they were into what they become and sometimes there is a purpose (here) and sometimes there is not.
Isabella… So, in this case of what I was watching on television today, the man who received the heart and was…
Seth… He was open to the reception of where the organ came from and who and what the organ belonged to. And he would allow himself to incorporate that into himself and therefore he could change.
Isabella… Now does he have a part of… can he…
Seth… It was incorporating into himself.
Isabella… Do you understand what I am asking…
Seth… Yes, I understand.
Isabella… about the spirit… the soul being of the…
Seth… The soul has not approached the other person.
Isabella… No, that I understand but is he connected to that soul because…
Seth… Are you connected to Arthur’s soul?
Isabella… Yes, but I guess what I… does anybody else understand what I am asking?
Seth… You’re asking whether or not the heart…
Isabella… Right.
Seth… has a connection between the young child who was lost and this individual and therefore he has taken charecteristics from the young man who was lost (Not clear but something like “and bringing himself across) to the other’s soul. That is what you are asking here.
Isabella… Right, like does he take on personalities from the other person?
Seth… He may have a connection with this, if he does, he is very open because of the (past or path.)
Isabella… Is organ donation a good thing?
Seth… Depends on how you define it. Is an apple a good thing?
Isabella… Well because in Jewish religion they say that you shouldn’t donate organs.
Seth… Then if you are of that mind and that ilk it is correct for you.
Isabella… (Said softly,) What if you don’t feel that way?
Seth… You must look to self for your answers.
Isabella… And I’ve always had an issue with donating the eyes. For me I wouldn’t mind donating other organs to help somebody but when it comes to donating like the retinas of the eyes…
Frank… Corneas.
Isabella… Whatever it is, that bothers me on some level.
Seth… Then why would you do it?
Isabella… But I am just asking about if you don’t technically need your eyes when you cross over so you can…
Seth… You don’t need any part.
Isabella… Right.
Seth… But you are talking about a belief system.
Isabella… Yeah, but the only reason why I would go there is because I believe that I would use… it’s my eyes that I would use to see.
Seth… Then of course the only answer is one shouldn’t do it, you are not comfortable.
Isabella… Okay.
Seth… Are there any other questions?
Arthur… If each cell knows where it came from, where it is and where it is going isn’t that a working definition of itself?
Seth… Of what?
Arthur… Of the cell, that would be cells, thereby have a working definition.
Seth… No each cell has a consciousness.
Arthur… Yeah? And if…
Seth… And its consciousness is different than yours.
Arthur… Yes.
Seth… And each cell of your entire body is in communication with every other cell in your body.
Arthur… So, so when we are talking about an organism not limiting itself by defining itself, we are not also saying that even on a cellular level that the cell that defines itself is limiting self?
Seth… Cells have no limitations because the same carbon atom that is in this table can easily interchange with any carbon atom that you have in your body. And sometimes they have.
Arthur… But it still seems that the cell by having those three, past, present, future has a definition of itself.
Seth… Definition of self is a consciousness and that is what you are having trouble with.
Arthur… And the cell hasn’t got a high enough consciousness?
Seth… It is not a higher. It has what it has.
Are there any other questions?
George… I’ve been having some issues when you said last week to think about replacing the pet. And what I want to ask is being able to live with another pet in your life without replacing the pet you lost, still mourning, still honoring the pet that you lost? Like does it have to be you’re replacing?
Seth… From your standpoint the idea here is of a replacement for various issues that I would choose not to go into at this point of reference. You may take it as fact that the idea here is not honoring one pet opposed to another. It is your efforts to feel whole and that is the problem. Again, you suffered a loss once again and the replacement here is the issue. You understand?
Stephanie… So, he has to feel whole without the pet?
Seth… Correct.
George… Um.
Seth… I’m not telling you what to do, you’ve asked me a specific question and I have given you an answer. Go ahead.
George… Also, about the other assignments for tonight, if I made the wrong choice, is there another choice that I am not listing that will be more profitable for me to perhaps work through at this time? (This sentence was not clear in places but this is representative of George’s question.)
Seth… If you will notice and I will give you this in a specific answer, I could have picked any of them yet when one person at the table did not pick the one issue that is so paramount to themselves, I just ignored what that person said and I assigned what I knew would be the most profitable thing. You could have looked at any of them. There is nothing better or worse because who says I will not go back to that list in three weeks and make you do another one. Does that make you a little happier?
George… Yes.
Seth… I thought it would.
George… This is completely off topic…
Seth… Nobody has been on topic with every question. (Group laughter.)
George… The issue with my car, the piece the mechanic told me is missing from the bottom of my car…
Seth… Correct.
George… Would the mechanic down the road have it? (Loud group laughter.)
Seth… I believe you have to ask the mechanic down the road. (Continued laughing.) Do you understand why that is a free will question? Do you understand my real question? This is an important fact.
George… Is it free will…
Seth… You have an issue here. Do you understand why it is a free will question that I cannot answer?
George… I am looking for information.
Seth… No, you’re not. You are looking for somebody to tell you what to do.
George… I know I did but I don’t know if the mechanic is being honest with me or…
Seth… That’s free will. You have to make up your own mind. I can’t tell you that. (There was a long pause and George must have had a face on as there was laughter.)
Arthur… With my patient Carol who had a visitation from the young man who left his incarnation recently and then today came in, um she felt okay about that, and this week came in very, she felt like she was cracking open and she was seeing the world and the experience had sway and all of a sudden she is seeing auras around things. I simply worked with her to accept what she said and to validate it and also to help ground her. Are there other things should be looking at?
Seth… No. A person who has a gift, has to learn to use the gift. That’s the simple answer.
Jasmine… Is there anything you feel you need to talk to me about in regard to this session or anything else I might of missed? (To someone else) Remember, we said something like that?
Seth… I believe that one of the things that you miss in general is the lack of review. Whether you would choose to listen to a tape, review your notes. How is the book reading with “The Secret” going along? (Directed to Isabella.)
Isabella… Not good.
Seth… When have you read it last?
Isabella… (Not clear but perhaps, “A little bit.”)
Seth… Have you discussed it at all?
Isabella… You said to read ten pages.
Seth… No, I also said you still have to discuss it. I didn’t limit you to ten pages.
Jasmine… Well can I do it that way too?
Seth… No, because you really require more of a detailed and comprehensive ingestion of the material. The object here is that you must want to make these things factual for yourself. That is the key here. Therefore, you’re looking and learning from any specific session must be infused into you, like it is a transfusion if you will of knowledge. There is not one person in this room including the man through whom I speak that does not require a constant review of the material. The rereading, restudying, relooking at information is vital for your ability to make a change. One of the annoyances that I put out was certainly to Stephanie and to the man through whom I speak when I stopped them from reading the original book and I started them over from page one because they were rushing through the material at such breakneck speed that they lost the material, and they were just reading words. So, it is the review, the relooking at things, the contemplation of each word that makes a difference. If you were to reread the first session again where I spoke about many things you will find information there today that you did not see that then. Does that give you a hint?
Jasmine… Okay, thank you.
Seth… Yes.
Any other questions?
Let me leave you with this. Each step of your journey gives you a new sense of fulfillment. It will allow you to fulfill your needs and lessen your wants. Even during resting lives wants still show their ugly face. No life is perfect. Learn that your challenges and opportunities are there for the taking. Use them well so that when the repetition starts you will be able to understand the true nature of the challenge. Do your homework and make a plan.
I bid you all a fond good evening.
(Session ended at 10:07)
